Someone didn't do their math, that's all. Personally, I can't see paying even $10,000 for something that will be virtually worthless in 10 years. And I especially can't see paying $30,000 for something that will only be worth $19,000 the moment I drive if off the lot!
No. Hybrids are a step in the right direction, but while they emit less CO2, they still burn gasoline and they still emit carbon dioxide, which causes global warming.
If everyone drove a hybrid instead of a regular gas car, we would reduce worldwide greenhouse gas emissions, but not nearly enough to stop global warming.
Electric cars would reduce emissions even further, although they also are responsible for some CO2 emissions because some of our power comes from coal power plants, and burning coal emits CO2 as well. However, electric cars create less CO2 emissions than even hybrids.
In addition to switching to hybrids and electric cars, we need to take more steps. For example, becoming more energy efficient, swithing to renewable power plants and getting rid of coal power plants, biking and using public transportation, etc.
Everyone is driving a Manual transmission control car The clutch in the floor of manual cars is the same as in the Automatic The real Automatic is in the Hybrid that switches and controls going from Steam to electric to horn The Fuel you pour into your car should be Pure Water so it does not clog from minerals Try disconnecting the fuse that controls starting when you turn the key.Steam is D Skip D and start at the next or last. reverse Road runner does not beep But when you over
drive.Beep Beep
Mining of nickel can be environmentally destructive. Toyota buys nickel for Prius batteries from a mine in Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. The mine has created such a dead zone around it, that NASA now uses the area to test lunar rovers.
The acid rain around Sudbury has destroyed all the plants and the soil slid off the hillside, David Martin, a Canadian Greenpeace coordinator, told the British newspaper Mail.
Firstly, legislate gas milage requirements that only hybrids can meet (with the appropriate exceptions for heavy duty work vehicles). This has worked in other countries. There is just plain no excuse for buying a new vehicle that doesn't get 30 miles to the gallon now.
The manufacturers can easily build that many hybrids. After all, they can build that many non-hybrids. The only real difference is the battery cells. And if you recycle those (answer to the third question) that just makes the whole process much easier.
I'd love to know which hybrids don't get more milage per gallon of gas than their non-hybrid counterparts. It just doesn't make sense.
Edit: after seeing the dolts below me, another thought comes to mind: Educate people as to exactly how hybrids work!
The battery doesn't need charging. You don't plug a hybrid in. When you brake, instead of stopping the wheels entirely like a normal car, a hybrid will engage a flywheel to charge the battery through magnetic induction. The resistance of this flywheel both slows the car down and charges the battery up. This is called "regenerative braking".
And you, "Just me" you wouldn't know a hybrid if it ran you over. Everything you said is completely wrong. Are you working for Fox News?!
You should look at a life cycle analysis of hybrid vehicles. If you type it in on Google (or better, Google Scholar) you'll find a bunch of info.
This would take into consideration everything that went into building the car, the lifetime of the car, and the disposal.
Typically when hybrids are promoted to consumers, only the fuel efficiency while the car is actually in use is considered, but there are other things involved in the car's life cycle.
There is a lot of complexity involved in such an analysis, but I think the general consensus among the scientific community is that Hybrid is better than New, but a used car is better than a hybrid.
It's still better to get a fuel efficient old car, (such as an old Saturn), rather than a new hybrid.
Yes, another way the manufacturer is tricking everyone into this hybrid crap.
If you want a good mpg vehicle, get a diesel. If something were to break on it, a good old mechanic/ or backyard mechanic can fix it. For a lot cheaper too.
I have a 2005 Honda Civic Hybrid and I have no problems on the highway. I can drive 60-70 mph, accelerate as necessary and still get 45-50 miles per gallon.
Toyota – Prius, Camry, Highlander, Lexus LS-h, GS-h, RX-h.
Nissan – Altima Hybrid
Ford – Escape Hybrid, Mercury Mariner Hybrid, Mazda Tribute Hybrid.
Honda – Civic Hybrid. (new Insight hybrid next year).
GM – Chevy Malibu, Tahoe, Saturn Aura, Vue, GMC Yukon, Cadillac Escalade.
Chrysler – Aspen Hybrid.
The only two hybrid cars that have no regular-car counterpart are the Toyota Prius and Honda Insight. All the other hybrids are regular cars modified to receive a hybrid drivetrain.
Mercedes Benz, BMW and other carmakers are not currently offering hybrids, but will starting next year.
Do you live in Sudbury, my future wife’s parents do, and you are wrong about that. Sudbury is beautiful. In fact any damage occurred more than thirty years ago, long before the Prius was even made. Since then, Inco (the company who makes the batteries) has reduced sulphur dioxide emissions by more than 90 per cent and has helped to plant more than 11 million trees. It is one of the greenest plants in Ontario. Get your figures straight before you buy into what the oil co. push out in media.
WITHOUT taxpayer supported subsidies confusing the issue, will the Prius last over 20 years ‘cost effictively? Many conventional vehicles do this. Most people forget to figure in the actual total cost to the environment to build a vehicle, any vehicle. The replacement of that particular vehicle, is a conveniently hidden factor. Mining and energy are paramount to any manufacturing process. By doing only one aspect in any one area, total environmental impact is only shifted to another. DaFlikkers
wow wow hold on hold on come on stop waste more money stupid hybrid car still work with gasoline,try hydrogen car is better and save $900 mill day to oversea
The electric part of the hybrid vehicle is only used in town for stop and go or low speed operation. Most hybrids use their gasoline engines for highway driving, and while the gasoline engine is running, it also recharges the batteries.
GM and Chysler already have the hybrid drivetrain technology to build trucks. Back a few years ago, GM, Daimler-Chrysler (back when the two companies were still merged) and BMW all joined forces to develop the 2-Mode hybrid transmission, and it is used in production vehicles. It took 2 years to develop the 2-mode system.
GM put the 2-mode system in its Tahoe Hybrid, Yukon Hybrid and Escalade Hybrids. Chrysler put it in its Aspen Hybrid (which they stopped building two months ago because it wasn't selling well). Daimler/Mercedes Benz is going to put the 2-mode in an upcoming car, but hasn't made any announcements. And BMW will be putting the 2-mode system in its upcoming X6 ActiveHybrid SUV.
For one, who would want to build a house on top of a oil rig? So that is a straw-man argument. Second before the deal overseas was made and the investors sunk their teeth into our pocketbooks we made oil and coal just fine. Third, America needs jobs and has plenty of land available to give way to oil production. Forth, the reason why this won’t happen is because too many Americans like you are dooped into buying everything overseas. America is owned by foreigners and world banks.
Drilling for oil is so environmentally destructive that you can’t build a house on top of an old oil rig. you have to ship the oil from the middle east to north america to be processed and then shipped again to gas stations. then all of the major cities of the world have bad air pollution causing acid raids killing our forrests
A Civic 4-door from 1984 had a curb weight of 918 kg.
A 2008 Civic 4-door LX has a curb weight of 1194 kg.
Over the years, the cars have grown heavier– They have become bigger and included a lot more safety features.
The 2008 Civic LX is lugging 276 kg of extra weight above the 1984 model (a difference of almost 600 pounds), so gas mileage is going to suffer. Putting in a more efficient hybrid powertrain in the 2008 Civic simply gains back some of that gas mileage lost due to the weight gain.
That's why you can't really compare the hybrids today to the cars from 15 years ago– The cars are built to different structural and safety standards.
September 8th, 2009 - 05:53
Someone didn't do their math, that's all. Personally, I can't see paying even $10,000 for something that will be virtually worthless in 10 years. And I especially can't see paying $30,000 for something that will only be worth $19,000 the moment I drive if off the lot!
September 8th, 2009 - 05:58
heat from exzos out put can generate steam and then convert to turbine generate electric charge batery for suport hybrid syatem.
September 8th, 2009 - 06:06
No. Hybrids are a step in the right direction, but while they emit less CO2, they still burn gasoline and they still emit carbon dioxide, which causes global warming.
If everyone drove a hybrid instead of a regular gas car, we would reduce worldwide greenhouse gas emissions, but not nearly enough to stop global warming.
Electric cars would reduce emissions even further, although they also are responsible for some CO2 emissions because some of our power comes from coal power plants, and burning coal emits CO2 as well. However, electric cars create less CO2 emissions than even hybrids.
In addition to switching to hybrids and electric cars, we need to take more steps. For example, becoming more energy efficient, swithing to renewable power plants and getting rid of coal power plants, biking and using public transportation, etc.
September 8th, 2009 - 06:15
I don't think there's any specific target market, unless you count environmentalists.
I own a Prius, and I'm a 26-year-old middle class dude. I've seen hybrid owners of all ages, though certainly poor people can't afford them.
September 8th, 2009 - 06:17
Everyone is driving a Manual transmission control car The clutch in the floor of manual cars is the same as in the Automatic The real Automatic is in the Hybrid that switches and controls going from Steam to electric to horn The Fuel you pour into your car should be Pure Water so it does not clog from minerals Try disconnecting the fuse that controls starting when you turn the key.Steam is D Skip D and start at the next or last. reverse Road runner does not beep But when you over
drive.Beep Beep
September 8th, 2009 - 10:17
wait two engines
September 8th, 2009 - 12:20
They charge their own batteries, so there is NOT the problem with power plants.
The trade off with them is that they are very expensive, they don't get THAT much more mileage, and battery replacement is astronomical!!
September 8th, 2009 - 13:34
They use the gasoline engine to drive the car and to charge the batteries.
September 8th, 2009 - 23:38
No….and No.
September 9th, 2009 - 05:45
Mining of nickel can be environmentally destructive. Toyota buys nickel for Prius batteries from a mine in Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. The mine has created such a dead zone around it, that NASA now uses the area to test lunar rovers.
The acid rain around Sudbury has destroyed all the plants and the soil slid off the hillside, David Martin, a Canadian Greenpeace coordinator, told the British newspaper Mail.
also hybrids killing our forrests
September 9th, 2009 - 06:26
Simple solutions to all!
Firstly, legislate gas milage requirements that only hybrids can meet (with the appropriate exceptions for heavy duty work vehicles). This has worked in other countries. There is just plain no excuse for buying a new vehicle that doesn't get 30 miles to the gallon now.
The manufacturers can easily build that many hybrids. After all, they can build that many non-hybrids. The only real difference is the battery cells. And if you recycle those (answer to the third question) that just makes the whole process much easier.
I'd love to know which hybrids don't get more milage per gallon of gas than their non-hybrid counterparts. It just doesn't make sense.
Edit: after seeing the dolts below me, another thought comes to mind: Educate people as to exactly how hybrids work!
The battery doesn't need charging. You don't plug a hybrid in. When you brake, instead of stopping the wheels entirely like a normal car, a hybrid will engage a flywheel to charge the battery through magnetic induction. The resistance of this flywheel both slows the car down and charges the battery up. This is called "regenerative braking".
And you, "Just me" you wouldn't know a hybrid if it ran you over. Everything you said is completely wrong. Are you working for Fox News?!
Edit #2: The Honda Accord sucked.
September 9th, 2009 - 11:16
You should look at a life cycle analysis of hybrid vehicles. If you type it in on Google (or better, Google Scholar) you'll find a bunch of info.
This would take into consideration everything that went into building the car, the lifetime of the car, and the disposal.
Typically when hybrids are promoted to consumers, only the fuel efficiency while the car is actually in use is considered, but there are other things involved in the car's life cycle.
There is a lot of complexity involved in such an analysis, but I think the general consensus among the scientific community is that Hybrid is better than New, but a used car is better than a hybrid.
It's still better to get a fuel efficient old car, (such as an old Saturn), rather than a new hybrid.
September 9th, 2009 - 12:59
Yes, another way the manufacturer is tricking everyone into this hybrid crap.
If you want a good mpg vehicle, get a diesel. If something were to break on it, a good old mechanic/ or backyard mechanic can fix it. For a lot cheaper too.
September 9th, 2009 - 13:09
I have a 2005 Honda Civic Hybrid and I have no problems on the highway. I can drive 60-70 mph, accelerate as necessary and still get 45-50 miles per gallon.
September 9th, 2009 - 18:53
Companies currently offering hybrid cars:
Toyota – Prius, Camry, Highlander, Lexus LS-h, GS-h, RX-h.
Nissan – Altima Hybrid
Ford – Escape Hybrid, Mercury Mariner Hybrid, Mazda Tribute Hybrid.
Honda – Civic Hybrid. (new Insight hybrid next year).
GM – Chevy Malibu, Tahoe, Saturn Aura, Vue, GMC Yukon, Cadillac Escalade.
Chrysler – Aspen Hybrid.
The only two hybrid cars that have no regular-car counterpart are the Toyota Prius and Honda Insight. All the other hybrids are regular cars modified to receive a hybrid drivetrain.
Mercedes Benz, BMW and other carmakers are not currently offering hybrids, but will starting next year.
September 9th, 2009 - 20:26
I hate it when black people say “wiff” instead of “with”
September 9th, 2009 - 22:13
oh please…..if you commute less than 20 miles a day and NEVER go 40 or 50 miles take a cab and sell the car
September 10th, 2009 - 00:46
There is a complete Li-ion conversion kit available on ebay under $2000. Search ebay with keyword phev.
September 10th, 2009 - 01:45
Do you live in Sudbury, my future wife’s parents do, and you are wrong about that. Sudbury is beautiful. In fact any damage occurred more than thirty years ago, long before the Prius was even made. Since then, Inco (the company who makes the batteries) has reduced sulphur dioxide emissions by more than 90 per cent and has helped to plant more than 11 million trees. It is one of the greenest plants in Ontario. Get your figures straight before you buy into what the oil co. push out in media.
September 10th, 2009 - 10:03
WITHOUT taxpayer supported subsidies confusing the issue, will the Prius last over 20 years ‘cost effictively? Many conventional vehicles do this. Most people forget to figure in the actual total cost to the environment to build a vehicle, any vehicle. The replacement of that particular vehicle, is a conveniently hidden factor. Mining and energy are paramount to any manufacturing process. By doing only one aspect in any one area, total environmental impact is only shifted to another. DaFlikkers
September 10th, 2009 - 10:06
wow wow hold on hold on come on stop waste more money stupid hybrid car still work with gasoline,try hydrogen car is better and save $900 mill day to oversea
September 10th, 2009 - 12:31
yeah because hydrogen is super cheap, right??
September 10th, 2009 - 14:04
The electric part of the hybrid vehicle is only used in town for stop and go or low speed operation. Most hybrids use their gasoline engines for highway driving, and while the gasoline engine is running, it also recharges the batteries.
September 10th, 2009 - 14:06
GM and Chysler already have the hybrid drivetrain technology to build trucks. Back a few years ago, GM, Daimler-Chrysler (back when the two companies were still merged) and BMW all joined forces to develop the 2-Mode hybrid transmission, and it is used in production vehicles. It took 2 years to develop the 2-mode system.
GM put the 2-mode system in its Tahoe Hybrid, Yukon Hybrid and Escalade Hybrids. Chrysler put it in its Aspen Hybrid (which they stopped building two months ago because it wasn't selling well). Daimler/Mercedes Benz is going to put the 2-mode in an upcoming car, but hasn't made any announcements. And BMW will be putting the 2-mode system in its upcoming X6 ActiveHybrid SUV.
September 10th, 2009 - 18:30
For one, who would want to build a house on top of a oil rig? So that is a straw-man argument. Second before the deal overseas was made and the investors sunk their teeth into our pocketbooks we made oil and coal just fine. Third, America needs jobs and has plenty of land available to give way to oil production. Forth, the reason why this won’t happen is because too many Americans like you are dooped into buying everything overseas. America is owned by foreigners and world banks.
September 10th, 2009 - 19:20
EPA, fueleconomy(dot)gov
New MPG (tests are more realistic)
City/Hwy/Combined
Prius 2010 – 51/48/50
Prius 2004 – 48/45/46
Insight 2010 – 40/43/41
Fusion 2010- 41/36/39
Smart 2009- 33/41/36
Jetta Tdi 2009 – 29/40/33
RX 450h 2010- 32/28/30
Fit 2009- 27/33/30
They all use very little gas! Pick the one you like the best, and don’t hate the rest
September 10th, 2009 - 20:57
Drilling for oil is so environmentally destructive that you can’t build a house on top of an old oil rig. you have to ship the oil from the middle east to north america to be processed and then shipped again to gas stations. then all of the major cities of the world have bad air pollution causing acid raids killing our forrests
September 11th, 2009 - 06:35
Nice 2 upload a video, tho it doesnt explain how a hybrid car work technically.
September 11th, 2009 - 11:33
The three best hybrids are:
Toyota Prius
Honda Insight
Ford Fusion
Don't buy a "mild hybrid" that doesn't actually propel the car with batteries. Some SUVs say they're hybrids, but don't really save much gas.
Hybrids make the most sense in a city or where your mom is driving relatively slow speeds (e.g., 30 miles per hour).
September 11th, 2009 - 15:51
Take a look at the curb weights.
A Civic 4-door from 1984 had a curb weight of 918 kg.
A 2008 Civic 4-door LX has a curb weight of 1194 kg.
Over the years, the cars have grown heavier– They have become bigger and included a lot more safety features.
The 2008 Civic LX is lugging 276 kg of extra weight above the 1984 model (a difference of almost 600 pounds), so gas mileage is going to suffer. Putting in a more efficient hybrid powertrain in the 2008 Civic simply gains back some of that gas mileage lost due to the weight gain.
That's why you can't really compare the hybrids today to the cars from 15 years ago– The cars are built to different structural and safety standards.